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An Atheist Woman's Point Of View

I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do.- Dale Gulledge

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As an Athiest in this religious world, I'm often portrayed as either devil worshiper or some fluzy with loose morals. Nothing could be futher then the truth. Here I discuss my beliefs, why I believe them, and whatever I feel like posting.
July 11

So full of lies

Lies lies, everywhere lies.  If you want to know what kind of person is running for president, just take a look at just 1 week in the life and lies of McCain.
 
 
I highly recommend you watch all included videos to see for yourself who he really is.
June 20

Obama

I supported Hillary from the beginning of the campaign.  I was passionate about the race and felt my support for her deep in my chest.  Since her defeat I have felt a void where that once was. 
 
I've spoken with other Hillary supporters and they report the same feeling, or lack there of.  Maybe it's because I haven't even been able to watch any of Obama's speeches, visit his site, or even talk about him.  It's been a struggle.  To be forced to change sides is not something that is human nature, we generally pick our sides and stick with them to the end.
 
I don't know if I will ever be able to "feel it" with Obama like I did with Hillary.  There were issues I had with him that are still there, things that make it difficult to truly like the man.  He might be a great man who will be a great president, or he might be a racists who hates "whitey".  I dont' know.  I might not know before the election.
 
During a discussion recently with another Hillary supporter I realized that this election isn't about Obama, Hillary, Or McCain.  It's about the country.  It's about the future of the American Empire, the direction we want this country to take.  And it's the most important election of my lifetime.
 
A vote for the republican party is a vote for the same shit.  The same war, the same loss of civil liberties, the same administration who believes they should be able to do what ever the fuck they want, regardless of the constitution our forefathers wrote and believed in.  If you believe this country should be run by a christian administration, or if you're a racist who wants to murder anything muslim or associated with with islam, or just like the idea of war then the republican candidate is who you want to vote for.
 
A vote for the democratic party is a vote for change.  Pure and simple change.  If you want to end the war, regain our own freedoms and civil liberties, or if you want an administration to adhere to our founders constitution, where everyone is equal and deserves the basic right to live, then the democrate candidate is your only chance of that.
 
When the towers went down on 9/11 the world mourned with us, the world supported us, the world cared for us.  That has been utterly destroyed by the republican party, and they have no plans to rectify that.  If we continue on this path the world will rise up against us, as they damn well should.  If any other country acted as we have these last years we would be the first one to try to stop them.  It's time the citizens of this country did stop them. 
 
I employ you to not throw your vote away this November.  Whether you like Obama or not I'm sure you dislike the road this country has been on more than you dislike a man.  And if you are willing to fuck up this country simply because you don't like one man, you disgust me.
 
And if you vote for an independant or libertarian candidate then you're just wasting your vote and should be ashamed of yourself.
June 16

People make me sick

I'm so tired of the hypocrisy, bigotry, and just plain bullshit of a lot of people, theist or atheist alike.  So many people just want to kill everyone from another group and it is the most fucked up shit and completely disgusts me.  I don't give a fuck what a muslim thinks, I don't give a fuck what a christian thinks, I don't give a fuck what an atheist thinks, but to advocate the slaughter of a group of people makes you a dispicable person no matter your reasons.  If a muslim wants to kill christians it's disgusting, if a christian want's to kill muslims it's disgusting, if an atheist calls for the complete anhialation of the entire mideast that person is the worst of the bunch.  One of these atheists might say "muslims want to kill us so we should kill them first" then that person is a hypocrit and shouldn't be allowed to speak.  Just because a few muslim terrorists want to kill Americans because our government is run by christians and we keep invading their country as if we have every right to, doesn't mean that we should nuke their country of origin.  That makes the atheist just as much of a hate speaking terrorist as the muslim.  And if you come across one of these dispicable people, don't think they speak for atheist, for they DO NOT.
 
 
Only half of the people in this country voted for the moron Bush, should we be punished for what the other half did?  Same in Iraq, only a fraction of the muslims are fundemental kill them all types, but some of us seem to think they should die to, apparently based solely on their religion.  I can understand those fucked up christians having that kind of thinking, but an atheist?  Really?  That just makes you a dumbshit with no underlying reasons.
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again.  They are only killing Americans because we're in their country killing them.  They may have attacked us on Sept 11th, but we've been over in their country for much longer than that and the ONLY reason they did it was to get us the fuck out of their land.  That's it, not other fucking reason.  Not because of what the Koran says, not because of what shaman said, but because they want us the fuck out and we've refused. 
 
And if you think "we are winning the war" or "things are better now that Saddam is gone" you're a total fucking moron and are buying into the propaganda that our fucked up government has been feeding us.  Before we ousted Saddam the Iraqi people use to think they lived in hell, now they only wish it was a good as it was back then.  WE are the problem, not them.  If it wasn't for us there would be no god damn reason for the terrorists to even exist.  And if you think we should be over there, then fuck you, get off your ass and go over there.  You got no problem with other people dying in this stupid war but you're sitting on your ass confortably spewing out your bullshit on the internet.  Go die for your country so we don't have to listen to you anymore.
June 05

Religion can be ok

It's taken me a while to finally post this blog entry.  Oh, a number of reasons come to mind, kid's birthdays, working, my sudden interest in activism for a non-religious cause, and my laptop went kaput and no way I'll be able to afford another for a long time, but the main reason is when I first became aware of what this post will be about, I wasn't sure how I felt about it.
 
I've been fighting the negative effects of religion so long that my assumptions have been that all religion is bad, period. I've said on numerous occasions that if a religion didn't do this or that, or wasn't this way or that way, I would have no problem with it.  I'd never studied a religion that didn't fall under one of those categories so I never had to face that issue.  Until now that is.
 
It's not like I had never before heard of these people, I mean, who hasn't, but I never really looked into them, didn't include them in my list of religions I didn't like, because, frankly, they weren't doing anything I didn't like.  So it was pretty easy to just ignore the fact that they were there.
 
Then I read an article.  An article that brought them into my sight in a positive light.  Well, I couldn't just leave them in my mind so positively, so I had to research more so I could find all the negative things that I could then talk about on here.  The more I looked, the more respect I had for these people, the more I realized there was a group of people who were actually not using their religion for their own self-serving purposes.  Who followed the laws of that religion and adhered to it strictly, unlike the hypocrites of most other religions who pick and chose what they want to follow and pick and chose what they want you to follow. 
 
So here I am, a month later, after researching, watching video's and a documentary, and avoiding sitting here and writing this, I've finally reached the point where I have to just admit it.  Not all religion is necessarily bad, but it takes a special type of people to make it a truly positive thing.  And today, I'm going to tell you about them.  I'm going to tell  you about the Amish.
 
Now, most of you probably already know a little bit about them, their characteristic pioneer clothing and black horse drawn carriages, but they are so much more than that.  Yes, women are put in the narrow roll of housewife and mother, but they're not made to believe that they are worthless, as some other religions tend to.  If you take away all the modern conveniences we take for granted; electric run appliances for cooking, cleaning, washing clothes, as well as pre-made packaged foods, computers for school work, pre-packaged cleaning supplies, and the like, then most of us would also have to stay home to take care of the house and kids.  Just not enough time in a day to do all that and work full time.  So I don't criticize them for that.  Also the kids don't get more than an 8th grade education, which kinda sucks, but in a lot of farming communities in America that was the norm.  So while I don't like a few things in their religion, they have many good qualities.
 
Lets start with a brief history of the Amish.  The Amish are descendants of the Anabaptist church in early Europe.  In 1536 a catholic priest in Holland joined together the different groups of Anabaptists into the Mennonites.  If you don't know what Anabaptist's are, they split from the traditional catholic religion over infant baptism.  They believed that only an informed adult who chooses to be baptized should be, and that children should never be baptized.  (how many of us complain that children are being forced into their parents religion?).  There was then a conflict between Mennonites concerning the practice of "shunning".  One group felt that shunning should only apply at communion, while the other group believed that they should be completely shunned (those who have left the church or commit sin while being unrepentant).  The latter group split and would eventually become the Amish.  After being persecuted and sometimes killed as heretics in Europe by catholics and protastants, William Penn invited them to move to America to join his "holy experiment" of religious tolerance.  The first settlers arrived in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in the 1720's.  They've since spread to 23 states and 1 Canadian province.
 
Old Order Amish (by far the largest group) are the strictest when it comes to their adherence of the "rules" of their religion.  Their rules range from the obvious: no electricity, motorized vehicles, telephones in the home, plain homemade clothes, to the more subtle: the color of their hats, what subjects they can learn in school, and no social security or insurance of any kind.  Other Amish communities are a bit more relaxed, allowing for vehicles and telephones, but they're numbers are so small and they tend to blend into the "english" community.
 
But some of their practices are what impressed me so much.  The top one being their penchant for forgiveness.  These people truly believe that you should always forgive people, no matter what they have done to them.  When a man walked into a one room Amish school house in Nickel Mines and took the lives of five little girls and severely hurt five others, the Amish community forgave the gunman instantly.  Money poured in from all over the country, and after finally deciding to accept the money (they hadn't at first) they made sure that some of that money went to the killers family.  80 people from the Amish community, including parents of girls killed, attended his funeral.  I don't know of a single person I have ever met that I would think would react that way to their child being murdered.  I sure as hell wouldn't, but these people are so peaceful and non-violent that it's second nature to them.  That amazes me.
 
Another practice, and probably the one that caused me to finally believe this group of sevearly religious people are all right is the practice of Rumspringa.  When an Amish teen turns 16, they are no longer under the control of their parents or the ordnung(rules of the Amish) and can do anything they want.  Drinking, smoking, in some cases doing drugs, loud parties, buying and driving cars, "english" clothing, anything and everything they can do, and most do.  It's their time to explore the world, to see what they are giving up if they chose to join the church.  Most teens live at home during this time and the parents are there for them, but will not demand that they stop doing any of it.  Until they commit to the church, they're not breaking any rules and are allowed to live as they please.  At this time some of them do decide to not join the church.  If they chose to not join, they are not shunned in anyway.  They are still loved and accepted by the community and can change their mind at any time and join the church, or not join and live the rest of their life like us.  Those that do decide not to join often go to college and lead happy lives.  But in the end 90% of them decide to join the church.  While it might seem crazy to us to decide to live the way the Amish do, they have an unbelievable sense of community, they have very close nit families and are generally happy.  Sometimes I wish I lived in such a caring community, but admittedly we "english" are more out for ourselves then the good of the community.  Our greed and pride get in the way of ever having what they have.
 
Now on the other hand, if someone joins the church and leaves, then they are completely shunned.  By the community, their families, and sometimes their spouses.  This may seem harsh, but that's why it's so important for them to make absolutely certain that join the church is what they really want to do.  It's a lifelong commitment that they take very seriously.  I can respect that.  I too think it's a little harsh, but I can still respect their commitment and dedication.
 
So in closing, I have to say not all religion is bad, but I dont' believe that any of the other religions will ever be capable of being anything other than the horrible scourge on the earth they are now. 
April 30

Wake the fuck up already

 
April 29

God kills again

A tragic example of how religion harms the people closest to it's most ardent followers has been brought to light recently.  A couple in Wisconsin decided to pray to god when their 11 year old daughter started showing signs of a physical illness.  They believed that physical illness is caused by sin and the cure was to pray and repent to god.  Friends and family members pleaded with the couple to seek medical attention, and instead the father sent out an email plea begging everyone to help pray for this child.

 

The parents do not belong to a organized religion and instead lead their own bible study.  They have no problem with medical attention, they just didn't feel it was warranted and that it was a test from god.  The bible teaches that prayer can heal, and these parents believed that.  They were horribly mistaken.

 

Easter Sunday the girl's grandmother contacted a daughter in law in California about the situation when she learned that the child could no longer walk or talk and it was this daughter in law who had the mindset to call the police and get someone out to this child.  Unfortunately it was too late and the girl was dead before they arrived.

 

When the parents were told that the child's body was going to be transported for autopsy to be performed the next day, the parents told them that the child would be alive before then.  The autopsy showed the girl died of diabetes.  Can you believe that a child here in America could die from undiagnosed diabetes? 

 

The bible encourages this type of behavior with it's dangerous teachings.  By claiming that god will test your faith, or will heal you with prayer, or even that the possibility of resurrection being real all can contribute to people's delusions that in the end it will all turn out alright.  These parents were actually shocked that their child died.  I'm shocked no one called the police prior to Easter Sunday. 

 

Thankfully charges have been filed against these people.  Their faith can't save them from the justice department.  What they did was criminal child abuse and should be treated as such.  They face 25 years in prison for this and I feel that's a justifiable sentence.

 

But punishing these people isn't enough.  This ignores the underlying problem here.  The real problem is there are thousands of buildings around the country that teach this type of mindset.  This type of thing actually should be expected from these theists, as this is exactly what the bible teaches them.  If one believes in the literal interpretation of the bible than of course they're going to believe that simply closing your eyes and imagining yourself asking for help is all that needs to be done.  Since before the advent of modern science and medical care people died from just about everything and infant mortality rate was up to 50%, I'd say that is clearly not the case. 

 

A doctor can cure, talking to yourself can't.  Learn it before you kill someone.

April 27

Exhausted but worth it.

A few days ago I received an email from the Hillary Clinton campaign inviting me to a Hillary for president rally with Bill Clinton.  I rsvp'd within five minutes of opening the email.  As excited as I will be to see Hillary when she comes into town, I'm just as excited to see Bill.  Bill is my favorite former president, without a doubt.  My young adult years were under his presidency and I definitely believe a lot of the happy memories I have are partially thanks to that man.  The economy was good, all the countries loved us (except for the French, they always hate us because they think they're better than we are :), religion wasn't in politics, and America was one hell of a country to be proud of.  So the idea of seeing this man speak live was too great of a chance to pass up.

 

The rally was yesterday at Lincoln High School and I took my boyfriend Bob with me.  My daughter really wanted to go, but I told her I would take her to see Hillary instead.  The event was scheduled to begin at 5:30 so we got there about 5:00.  Already the line stretched from the school entrance, down the parking and down to the street, around the corner for about a block and a half.  We got in line and talked to a few people in line around us.  A little girl and her grandparents, a mother and adult daughter, and a single woman who was a recent transplant from California.  We got to spend a lot of time talking with them as we stood in line for a very long time.  Unfortunately the former president was running a bit late as this was his 8th event that day.  We finally started moving forward about seven.  As we moved forward we noticed a man across the street holding two Obama signs.  Some people were indignant that he was doing that but it didn't bother me.  Being passionate and involved is a noble thing, no matter which candidate they chose.  That's what makes this country great. 

 

As we entered the parking lot the entire line had to walk next to another line, this one of people standing silently holding signs showing Iranian girls and with sayings on them like "This is the kind of villagers Hillary Clinton wants to annihilate".  I haven't ever heard her talking about that myself, but ok.  I continued down the line.  When we got close to the entrance there was a man standing on a high curb yelling at all of us.  Asking us how could we possibly be for Hillary, we should be ashamed of ourselves, that sort of thing.  Besides the guy yelling, all the others were very polite and quiet.  I never heard a single one of them speak, they were very courteous.  I respected that a lot.

 

When we entered the gym, the first thing I noticed was the bleachers on the left side were all full, yet the stage in front of the podium was a bit empty.  Apparently all those people in front of us chose to sit instead of stand up close.  Since we had already been standing for 2 hours, the people in the front must have been standing for 3 or more.  I didn't' mind at all as I wanted to be up close, and we were.  There were just a few people between us and the podium, I was ecstatic.  I couldn't believe I was going to be this close to a man who once ruled the free world, and who's wife just might do the same.

 

We continued to wait till finally a campaign staffer entered the stage.  She gave a pep talk, threw out a few t-shits (I caught one), then asked us to text "win" to 442008.  Then they would call one of the numbers and that person would get to go back and meet President Clinton.  They ended up picking two numbers and both of them got to meet him (I wasn't one of them).  This was followed by a member of the Portland School Board who talked about how Hillary was committed to our schools.  Finally President Clinton arrived on stage.

 

He gave a great speech.  Due to my horrible memory I won't try to go into detail about the speech itself, but a lot of what he said really hit home with most of us.  We were all tired after waiting for hours for him to arrive, but he still managed to energize us.  He's always been an eloquent speaker and he didn't disappoint.

 

About halfway thru I could no longer stand on my feet.  I sat down on the floor and a campaign staffer noticed me right away and escorted us to the press box were we could sit.  I was a little further away but at least I wasn't concentrating on my feet anymore.  At the end he was shaking hands with the audience and as much as I wanted to shake his hand to and say what I really wanted to say to him, I was exhausted, my kids were at my mothers house, and I really wanted to go home.  All in all though we had a great time and I'm really glad I went.

 

Later Bob and I discussed it and found that both of us had walked away with different perceptions about President Clinton.  Prior to attending the event Bob had seen Bill Clinton as basically a talking head on a TV screen just like any other president, but afterwards Bob saw him as something larger than life.  On the other hand prior to Saturday he had always seemed like something larger than life to me, but seeing and listening to him brought him down to a more normal level for me.  For the first time I saw him not as a leader of the country, but as an average guy who accomplished something amazing.  He seemed more human, if that makes any sense.  Both of us saw our new perceptions of him as something better than before.  I guess that just goes to show how different, yet the same we all are.

 

 

April 25

Handicapped

One day I was standing in front of a classroom of elementary school children.  I held up a card with the number 14 on it, but hid that number from the children.  I asked them to tell me what number was on the card.  Little Sarah raised her hand and told me her mother told her it was a 9.  She turned to the rest of the class and said that someone important told her mother it was a 9, and so therefor it is a 9.  All the children nod in agreement.  I ask the rest of the class what number it was and they all said it's a 9.  I then told them it's not a 9.  Then I asked them what number it was.  They again said it was a 9 because Sarah's mother said it was so it was.  I told them again I'm looking right at the number and it's definatly not a 9.  This time I told them it was a 14 but the children called me a liar and said I was trying to make Sarah's mother out to be a liar.  I explained over and over that I could see the number so I knew the number.  The children said they new the number and it was a 9.  When I said I knew for sure it's a 14 one child asked me to prove it.  I said ok and turned the card around.  As soon as I did, all the children quickly covered their eyes and said i was trying to trick them, that the number was a 9 and they know that as a fact.  I pleaded with the children to please look at the card and see the number for themselves.  One child finally looked, but claimed it was a trick, I was twisting the card to make it look like a 14.  A few other children looked but they too said it wasn't really a 14.  Little Johnny got up, came over to look at the card.  I handed it to him, he looked very closely at the card, examining every inch of the card.  He finally looked up and said it was definatly a 14.  Sarah asked him if he was calling her mother a liar and Johnny said no, that she was mistaken.  Sarah became very upset and screamed how dare he call her mother a liar.  She cried and threw a pencil at Johnny.  The other children soon joined in yelling that Johnny and I were nothing but horrible liars and it was all our fault that Sarah was crying and that they'll never believe our trickery.  Johnny and I left the room, both of us looking at each other in stunned silence. 
 
 
 
Now of course the story above isn't true, yet it is true.  It's true in the sense that this is what atheists go thru with religious people.  You can show factual evidence to them time and again and they either won't look at it, or claim we're faking or twisting the evidence.  People are just too comfortable in their delusions.  And if you don't think religion is a delusion, then maybe you should read the definition of delusion.
 
de·lu·sion

 1. false belief: a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence

2. mistaken notion: a false or mistaken belief or idea about something

 
As you can see, religion would clearly fall under this catagory.  I believe that would put the religious in the mentally handicap sector of the community. 
 
April 22

God is evil by his own words

I'm amazed that people who claim to read and worship the words of the bible tend to be so ignorant about just what the bible says.  I wonder how many of them know that god is quoted many times in the bible admitting that he is infact evil.  I will list those passages below.
 
Isaiah 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Exodus 32:14  And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Joshua 23:15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.
Judges 9:23  Then God sent an evil spirit
1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
2 Samuel 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house
1 Kings 9:9 ...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.
1 Kings 14:10 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam
2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;
2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.
2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place
Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?
Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.
Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people
Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them
Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil
Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them:
Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah
Jeremiah 45:5 ...behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD
Jeremiah 49:37 ...I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them
Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD
Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil
 
So as you can see, god admits that it is he that does all evil, not some "fallen angel" who gets the blame.  The reason satan gets the blame is solely so that the christians can convince themselves that it's not god doing it.  But if you claim that god is not capable of committing evil acts then you are "giving false witness" and commiting  "blasphemy" against god and his character.
 
Now I ask you, why do you feel that this "god" is deserving of worship?  Even if you believe that he does exist, after all he has done and all he admits, why would you want to devote your life to him?  Of all the men who have lived not one of them can come close to the evil that this god is.  No one has caused as much death and destruction that this god claims to have done. 
 
It's funny, the relationship that people have with this god reminds me of battered wife syndrome.  He'll beat you into submission, threaten you with terrible punishments if you don't comply, convince you that you deserve that horrible treatment because your bad deep inside, then tell you he only does it because he loves you.  Actually it's not funny afterall.  It's pretty damn sad.
April 21

Why what we do is important

Lately I've heard from a few different people that nothing we do or say can change a christian/theist's mind about religion.  A few have stated it's just a waste of time to even try to talk to these people, that they will never come out of their delusions.  While it may seem that way at times, I present to you direct evidence that this is not the case.
 
For those of you who watched the video a couple of posts down, you may have scene a quick blip about a website called www.exchristian.org  .  I decided to go check it out for myself and discovered it is a collection of deconversion stories.  Nothing else, just individual's own tellings of how they lost their faith.  Fascinating stuff, reallly fascinating.  The very first story I read really showed to me the power of what I do.  I'm asking you to read this story.  You of course can read any of the stories listed or none, but atleast read this one.  I'm unable to link directly to the individual story I want to, but I'll tell you how to find it. 
 
At the top of the page is a list of how to assort the stories.  Chose location, and when the list below comes up scroll down just a short distance to US (far left side of page).  The fourth or so entry under US is FL Jacksonville, titled Spiral.  Just click the title and read from there.
 
You can't get more fundelmentalist than the author of this story.  As a child the church actually met in his living room.  It's very well written, very honest, and very inspiring.
 
Well that's it for me tonight, I'm gonna read a few more deconversion stories and head off to bed.
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